Mr. Trudgeon defined Communists as members of the Party only, and said that he thought he would keep the discussion on the academic level. "Freedom of thought was being violated by the Communists, so they must be excluded from the University. A teacher must be free to inquire, but doctrine would limit the academic freedom of a communist professor. Communists were committed to a policy of revolution" (Goddard: "So is a bicycle wheel").

Mr. Garrett also chose the academic level; "criticisms, even heresy, are essential to the testing of truths which is the purpose of a university." Einstein overthrew the whole basis of orthodox physics, but the orthodox scientists did not therefore expel him. Ideas must be allowed to stand on their own merits. Both the University and the society in general depend on criticism for the correction of faults. Minorities must be allowed to express their opinion (Curtin: "Hear, hear!") It was once sufficient excuse for exclusion that the person was a woman—it was now nothing strange when we had a woman president.

Mr. Mutch sought to exclude the Communists as teachers only. "A Communist is a dogmatist, as must therefore be excluded." In wartime, we have Emergency Regulations: the Communists are here so dangerous that they constitute a national menace, so must be dealt witth accordingly." (Bollinger: "That's how Hitler started.").

Mrs. Garrett: "Exclusion is persecution, and persecution has alarming effects. If, as the affirmative declared, Communists relied on force, persecution justified that reliance. Those excluded became bitter." (O'Brien: "Like a person in a mental asylum"; Mrs. Garrett: "a suitable place for the interjector.") This would cause revolt, not prevent it.